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 The Cardassian Emblem, Symbolic Meanings or Drunk Prop Artists?
Lazim
 Posted: Jul 23 2013, 02:52 PM
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Here's a fun page on the Evolution of the Cardassian Emblem

Either there are some amazing back stories on these variations...

or the Prop Department was kicking back a little too much Kanar during DS9's run...

So, let's just say this is an opportunity for some fun fan fiction. And if anyone can figure out this history, it's got to be this group...

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Thor Damar
 Posted: Jul 23 2013, 05:48 PM
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Well, I both Gul Re'jal and myself consider the Galor to be based upon a deadly oceanic predator on Prime (a sort of monster manta Ray which Gul Re'jal has excellently drawn here) and I think that the emblem is an artistic rendering of that animal, kind of like the Lion was and is used in the iconography of the Country of England/Nation state of the United Kingdom.

Of course this is in our shared universe and Gul Re'jal's Shaping a Cardassianverse so I'm sure their are other ideas for the origin of the Union's symbol in both Canon and other fanfic Cardassia's. ..

(I have a theory that the orange variant used by Dukat upon his usurpation of power following the Dominion annexation is actually the one used by the governing Castellan of the Union. So Dukat was, perhaps subconsciously, trying to reassure his people that he was a legitimate leader by using the old symbols and designs.)

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Marritza
 Posted: Jul 23 2013, 08:11 PM
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I always thought it looked like the spoon shaped ridge on the Cardassians forehead. I believe that this represents a spiritual meaning or connection with land and people.
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Nerys Ghemor
 Posted: Jul 23 2013, 09:21 PM
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I had independently come up with an idea similar to GR's as I began the Sigils and Unions series. Seems like a reasonable conjecture, IMO. smile.gif

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Lazim
 Posted: Jul 23 2013, 10:14 PM
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Ah, good ideas.

I was originally wondering, however, how to explain the changes in coloration described on that page.

Do we have any insights into what colors mean?

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Thor Damar
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (Lazim @ Jul 24 2013, 03:14 AM)
Ah, good ideas.

I was originally wondering, however, how to explain the changes in coloration described on that page.

Do we have any insights into what colors mean?


Well, there is my theory, briefly outlined above, for the dark orange colouration used during the Year of Dukat and I believe that the colour is used in the ship displays during the Dominion war era as a way of differentiating the Cardassian ships from those of their Dominion 'allies'

Not sure yet about all the others but one possibility is that each represents a certain Order, hence the similar design of the symbol on both Dukat's and Jarsad's Galor .

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Gul Re'jal
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 02:00 PM
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It could also be a "war emblem", a bit like Japan had its regular flag and its war flag.
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Thor Damar
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 02:10 PM
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'Dear Klingon Empire.

We are now orange.

Prepare to die.

lots of love,

The Cardassian Union.'


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Deranged Nasat
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 02:12 PM
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Here's my conjecture, from my personal encyclopaedia -thing (and taking pointers from various non-canon sources):

The symbol of the Cardassian Union is named for the Galor, a mythical warrior-king who combined Cardassian features with those of a serpent-like lower animal. The Galor was greatly respected among his people for leading his army of masked shadow-warriors to complete victory on numerous occasions. His prowess in battle was respected and feared across Cardassia, as was his dark power of “magic”. Of course, the fearsome, powerful soldier-politician was an image greatly inspiring to Central Command. It’s an even more appropriate emblem when one considers the Galor was originally also a religious figure; Central Command exterminated followers of the Cardassian church in order to establish itself as the supreme moral authority; citizens of the Union were then encouraged to identify with the state in an almost religious manner. Note that the Galor’s “eyes” are always watching and judging.

The Galor Banner resembles the Galor, rearing upright on its tail, and dressed in the traditional cloak and mask of several obscure religions from ancient Cardassia (nowadays the original symbolism is forgotten, reinterpreted in line with Akleenist ideology). The figure stands tall and straight, reflecting the ideals of strength and discipline. The Banner is not just one man, though; it also represents the Cardassian civilization as a whole, reminding those who view it that the ethical citizen lives only for the good of the state. The anatomy of the Galor thus corresponds to an abstract representation of Cardassian ideals. The “tail” is a pillar planted firmly in Cardassian soil, drawing strength up from the native land, while the cloak encompasses the sky, spreading the glory of Cardassia to the stars above. On one side of this widely-spread "cloak" is a circular representation of the sun or moon - exactly which is no longer relevant, as the old moral binaries have been replaced by the absolute morality of Central Command. On the other side is positioned a symbolic image of a weapon held under one arm. The cupped forearms, to the eyes of the symbol's originators placing a mask upon its face, feature two layers, one inside the other, and are themselves “inside” the cloak, making three layers. This symbolizes the trinity of body, mind and soul; soul inside mind, mind inside body, all here dedicated to the greater good of Cardassia. The “tail” also features three pieces, further reflecting the significance Cardassians place on that number.

There are at least 12 minor variants on the Galor Banner. The colours of the design are occasionally changed at the whim of a local official; only the basic shape must remain similar. Note that the sun/moon symbol may be displayed on either side of the cloaked figure. It’s clear that Central Command preferred the colours pink, green and blue throughout the 24th century, as most of the variants feature these hues. Pink is almost always used for the “legs” and “arms”, green or blue for the “mask/cloak” and a yellow shade for the “sidearm”. Variants in simple orange/brown, featured during the reign of Skrain Dukat, in 2373-74. Clearly aiming to make a point about the return to military government (Cardassia having been under civilian control for several years),Dukat replaced the multi-hued banner with variants reflecting the hull colour of Cardassian military ships. This clearly proved unpopular, for not only did many local commanders keep the Galor as close to traditional as possible under Dukat’s new laws, but following his capture by enemy forces in 2374 the design was quickly changed back

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Dinai Evtek
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 03:36 PM
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Until now I never really paid attention to those changes... one never stops learning...

@DN: Thank you very much - I don't think any Cardassian expert on heraldry could have describe it better.
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Lazim
 Posted: Jul 24 2013, 11:06 PM
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@DN - That was awesome.

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